Comparing a single Quran note with an entire Guru Granth orchestra

"Ayse, i think you are referring to a single note and want us to be awed. The only reason for your overflowing confidence is due to your utter lack of knowledge about the Holy Scriptures from India. Muslims make mountains out of the molehills of the Quran, a centuries-old collective mindset that is the norm since all other Holy Scriptures and their founders/saints are rejected even though 123,974 of 124,000 prophets sent by Allah are still missing and have not been identified by Muslims for the last 14 centuries!"

--- In adishakti_sahaja_yoga@yahoogroups.com, "absoysal05" wrote:
>
> Hi everybody,
> I am kind of a new member in here. Allah willing, I hope to
> contribute more realization of each of us with the articles I found
> out and while sending it to you all. I hope you enjoy reading the
> scientifically explanations of verses of Quran. I would like to
> send you all as much as possible in following days, the articles
> like this one. It is amazing and miraculous to see how
> scientifically the surahs/verses, the words of our Creator, was
> told to the messenger and so written by Creator's messenger
> Prophet Mohammad that in that time of the world. the time of
> Islam was sent, it was not possible to be known those scientific facts
> whereas those facts are found out in 20th or 21th century.
> Take care..
> Ayse
>
> WE LIVE IN AN EXPANDING UNIVERSE
>
> 47- With power did We construct heaven. Verily, We are expanding it.
>
> 51-The Dispersing, 47
>
>

Hi Ayse,

i think you are referring to a single note and want us to be awed. The only reason for your overflowing confidence is due to your utter lack of knowledge about the Holy Scriptures from India. Muslims make mountains out of the molehills of the Quran, a centuries-old collective mindset that is the norm since all other Holy Scriptures and their founders/saints are rejected even though 123,974 of 124,000 prophets sent by Allah are still missing and have not been identified by Muslims for the last 14 centuries!

"Beginning with Adam, Islamic tradition asserts, God sends 124,000 prophets at various times and to every community to remind people of their obligation to the one and only sovereign Lord and warn them against heedlessness and disobedience. The Qur'an declares, `There is not a nation but that a warner was sent to it' (Q. 26:207)"

Abdullah Yusuf Ali, The Holy Qur'an
(Abdullah Yusuf Ali, The Holy Qur'an, Amana Corporation, 1989.)

Muslims unable to find even one of 123,974 missing prophets 14 centuries later

So if you and your fellow Muslims ever try reading what is written in the Vedas, Puranaas, Upanishads, Guru Granth and others, you will never again use words like "amazing" or "miraculous" to describe the Quran. It is embarrassing to just listen to a single note--Verse 47:51 (The Dispersing) "With power did We construct heaven. Verily, We are expanding it"--and think you are hearing an orchestra reaching a thunderous crescendo. It truly insults intelligence Ayse.

i am just appending 2 pages of the voluminous 1430 paged Guru Granth Sahib so that you may hear what is truly a magnum opus. Please understand that there many more musical scores in this Sikh holy scripture, tour de force scores that call for a standing ovation. (i do not even want to touch the Hindu scriptures as that will truly humble you and your fellow Muslims .......... provided you all do have the humility to accept the fact that except for eschatology, prophecy and the Sure Signs of Qiyamah, the Vedas, Puranaas, Upanishads, Guru Granth and others are far superior all-round. i am appending only two pages (below) to bring home that fact.

regards,

jagbir

Note: The Big Bang theory is readily accepted by Muslims because the Koran may mention it. However there is a complete distaste for evolution (same for Christian fundamentalists) even though there is far more evidence for evolution than the Big Bang.

BTW, the 2 pages below are pre-Big Bang (and the Guru Granth Sahib is without question a magnificent masterpiece of evolution)!

Arbad narbad dhun dhookaaraa.
For endless eons, there was only utter darkness.

Dharan na gagnaa hukam apaaraa.
There was no earth or sky; there was only the infinite Command of His Hukam.

Naa din rain na chand na sooraj sunn samaaDh lagaa-idaa.||1||
There was no day or night, no moon or sun; God sat in primal, profound Samaadhi. ||1||

Khaanee na banee pa-un na paanee.
There were no sources of creation or powers of speech, no air or water.

Opat khapat na aavan jaanee.
There was no creation or destruction, no coming or going.

Khand pataal sapat nahee saagar nadee na neer vahaa-idaa. ||2||
There were no continents, nether regions, seven seas, rivers or flowing water. ||2||

Naa tad surag machh pa-i-aalaa.
There were no heavenly realms, earth or nether regions of the underworld.

Dojak bhisat nahee khai kaalaa.
There was no heaven or hell, no death or time.

Narak surag nahee jaman marnaa naa ko aa-ay na jaa-idaa. ||3||
There was no hell or heaven, no birth or death, no coming or going in reincarnation. ||3||

Barahmaa bisan mahays na ko-ee.
There was no Brahma, Vishnu or Shiva.

Avar na deesai ayko so-ee.
No one was seen, except the One Lord.

Naar purakh nahee jaat na janmaa naa ko dukh sukh paa-idaa. ||4||
There was no female or male, no social class or caste of birth; no one experienced pain or pleasure. ||4||

Naa tad jatee satee banvaasee.
There were no people of celibacy or charity; no one lived in the forests.
Naa tad siDh saaDhik sukhvaasee.
There were no Siddhas or seekers, no one living in peace. There were no Yogis, no wandering pilgrims, no religious robes; no one called himself the master. ||5||

Jap tap sanjam naa barat poojaa.
There was no chanting or meditation, no self-discipline, fasting or worship.

Naa ko aakh vakhaanai doojaa.
No one spoke or talked in duality.

Aapay aap upaa-ay vigsai aapay keemat paa-idaa. ||6||
He created Himself, and rejoiced; He evaluates Himself. ||6||

Naa such sanjam tulsee maalaa.
There was no purification, no self-restraint, no malas of basil seeds.

Gopee kaan na ga-oo go-aalaa.
There were no Gopis, no Krishna, no cows or cowherds.

Tant mant pakhand na ko-ee naa ko vans vajaa-idaa. ||7||
There were no tantras, no mantras and no hypocrisy; no one played the flute. ||7||

Karam gharam nahee maa-i-aa maakhee.
There was no karma, no Dharma, no buzzing fly of Maya.

Jaat janam nahee deesai aakhee.
Social class and birth were not seen with any eyes.

Mamtaa jaal kaal nahee maathai naa ko kisai dhi-aa-idaa. ||8||
There was no noose of attachment, no death inscribed upon the forehead; no one meditated on anything. ||8||

Nind bind nahee jee-o na jindo.
There was no slander, no seed, no soul and no life.

Naa tad gorakh naa maachhindo.
There was no Gorakh and no Maachhindra.

Naa tad gi-aan Dhi-aan kul opat naa ko ganat ganaa-idaa. ||9||
There was no spiritual wisdom or meditation, no ancestry or creation, no reckoning of accounts. ||9||

Yaran bhaykh nahee barahman khatree.
There were no castes or social classes, no religious robes, no Brahmin or Kh'shaatriya.

Day-o na dayhuraa ga-oo gaa-itaree.
There were no demi-gods or temples, no cows or Gaayatri prayer.

Hom jag nahee tirath naavan naa ko poojaa laa-idaa. ||10||
There were no burnt offerings, no ceremonial feasts, no cleansing rituals at sacred shrines of pilgrimage; no one worshipped in adoration. ||10||

Naa ko mulaa naa ko kaajee.
There was no Mullah, there was no Qazi.

Naa ko saykh masaa-ik haajee.
There was no Shaykh, or pilgrims to Mecca.

Ra-ee-at raa-o na ha-umai dunee-aa naa ko kahan kahaa-idaa. ||11||
There was no king or subjects, and no worldly egotism; no one spoke of himself. ||11||

Bhaa-o na bhagtee naa siv saktee.
There was no love or devotion, no Shiva or Shakti - no energy or matter.

Saajan meet bind nahee raktee.
There were no friends or companions, no semen or blood.

Aapay saahu aapay vanjaaraa saachay ayho bhaa-idaa. ||12||
He Himself is the banker, and He Himself is the merchant. Such is the Pleasure of the Will of the True Lord. ||12||

Bayd katayb na simrit saasat.
There were no Vedas, Korans or Bibles, no Simritees or Shaastras.

Paath puraan udai nahee aasat.
There was no recitation of the Puraanas, no sunrise or sunset.

Kahtaa baktaa aap agochar aapay alakh lakhaa-idaa. ||13||
The Unfathomable Lord Himself was the speaker and the preacher; the unseen Lord Himself saw everything. ||13||

Jaa tis bhaanaa taa jagat upaa-i-aa.
When He (Waheguru/God Almighty) so willed, She (Aykaa Mayee/His Shakti) created the world.

Baajh kalaa aadaan rahaa-i-aa.
Without any supporting power, She sustained the universe.

Barahmaa bisan mahays upaa-ay maa-i-aa moh vaDhaa-idaa. ||14||
She created Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva; She fostered enticement and attachment to Maya. ||14||

Virlay ka-o gur sabad sunaa-i-aa.
How rare is that person who listens to the Word of the Guru's Shabad.
Kar kar daykhai hukam sabaa-i-aa.
She created the creation, and watches over it; the Hukam of His Command is over all.

Khand barahmand paataal arambhay guptahu pargatee aa-idaa. ||15||
She formed the planets, solar systems and nether regions, and brought what was hidden to manifestation. ||15||

Taa kaa ant na jaanai ko-ee.
No one knows His limits.

Pooray gur tay sojhee ho-ee.
This understanding comes from the Perfect Guru.

Naanak saach ratay bismaadee bisam bha-ay gun gaa-idaa. ||16||3||15||
O Nanak, those who are attuned to the Truth are wonderstruck; singing His Glorious Praises, they are filled with wonder. ||16||3||15||

Guru Nanak Ji
Page 1035 and 1036, Sri Guru Grath Sahib

Gurmukh naadang, gumukh vaydang, gurmukh rahe-aa samaa-ee. (stanza 4)
Through the Enlightener’s Word is attained the Mystic Sound; Through the Enlightener’s Word, the Divine Knowledge; And through the Enlightener’s Word is realized the All-Pervasiveness of God.

Gur eesar, gur gorakh barmaa, gur paarbatee maa-ee.
The Enlightener Herself is Shiv, Vishnoo, Barmaa; The Enlightener Herself is Paarvati, the Mother-Goddess....

Su-ast aath, baanee barmaa-o. Sat suhaan sadaa man chaa-o. (stanza 20)
Obeisance to Her, who is Herself Mahamaya, the Primal Word and Barmaa. She is Truth, Consciousness, and Bliss....

Aakhaih barmay, aakhaih ind. Aakhaih, gopee tai govind. (stanza 25)
The Barmaa and Indr utter Her Greatness, So also the Gopees and Krishna.

Aakhaih eesar, aakhaih sidh. Aaakhaih, kaytay keetay budh.
Shiv and Sidh speak of Her Glories, so also many gnostics created by Her....

Aadays, tisai aadays. Aad aneel anaad anaahat, jug jug ayko vays. (stanza 29)
Obeisance, obeisance to Her, the Primal, the Immaculate, without beginning, without end, Immutable through all ages.

Aykaa Maye, jugat viaaee, tin chalay parvaan.
The Mother was conceived alone in some mysterious way and She procreated three deities.

Ik sansaaree, ik bhandaaree, ik laa-ay deeban.
One was Creator (Barmaa), one Sustainer (Vishnoo), and one Destroyer of the world )Shiv).

Jiv tis bhaavai, tivai chalaavai, jiv havai phurmaan.
The world moves as She ordains and as She pleases.

Oh vaykahi, onaa nadar na aavai, buhutaa ayho vidaan.
She sees all, but no one sees Her: this is a great wonder. (stanza 31)

Japji Sahib

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