The Self as Spirit (“Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?” John 10:34)

"What is missed by Christians and Jews is that while Jesus only claimed Himself to be the Son of God, the Jewish scriptures confirmed that humans were indeed gods. So why should the Jews threaten Him for being lesser i.e., just the Son? Jesus was in fact mocking both their ignorance of scripture, and arrogance of righteousness and judgment."

The Holy Bible: Book Of Revelation

Dear All,

Psalms 82:6 I have said, Ye are gods; and children of the most High? Why do so many Christians think it's evil to believe we become like God... that we eventually can become gods? But the Bible is littered with the promise and surety that humans are inherently divine and of the nature of spirit:

1.To become heirs of God and joint-heirs with Christ, being glorified together (Romans 8:14-18)
2. As sons (and daughters) of God, to inherit all things that the Father has (Revelation 21:7)
3.To become one with Christ, as Christ is one with the Father (John 17:20-23)
4.To sit with Christ on His throne (Rev. 3:21)
5.To receive a glorified, immortal body like the body that Christ has (Philip. 3:21)
6.To partake of the divine nature and be given all things pertaining to life and godliness, receiving glory (2 Peter 1:3-4)
7.To be made - in some way - like Christ when He returns (1 John 3:2)
8.To be made kings and priests unto God and his Father (Rev. 1:6)
9. As spirit children of God, to become partakers of his holiness (Heb. 12:9-10)
10.To be exalted by God (1 Peter 5:6)
11.To become perfect, even as our Father in Heaven is perfect (Matt. 5:48)

In fact Jesus clearly states, when rejected by the Jews for claiming Himself as the Son of God, that all humans are gods:

"Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?" John 10:34)

What is missed by Christians and Jews is that while Jesus only claimed Himself to be the Son of God, the Jewish scriptures confirmed that humans were indeed gods. So why should the Jews threaten Him for being lesser i.e., just the Son? Jesus was in fact mocking both their ignorance of scripture, and arrogance of righteousness and judgment:

34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the Scripture cannot be broken;
36 say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?
37 If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.
38 But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works; that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.
39 Therefore they sought again to take him; but he escaped out of their hand,
40 and went away again beyond Jordan into the place where John at first baptized; Joh. 1.28 and there he abode.
41 And many resorted unto him and said, John did no miracle: but all things that John spake of this man were true.
42 And many believed on him there.

So what can we make out of Jesus' claim that "Ye are gods"? What has it got to do with second birth (Kundalini awakening)? What is their relationship with Shri Mataji's Self-realization? What is the Self actually, and how is it realized? To answer these questions i have quoted Brian Hodgkinson:

Brian Hodgkinson,
The Essence of Vedanta

The Self as Spirit

"Vedanta accepts this logical introduction to the enquiry into the self. Self as subject should never be confused with any object. Anything that the self observes cannot be self. Can anything positive then be said of it? The Brihadaranyaka Upanishad has a great deal to say about the self. For example:

`This Self is nearer than all else, dearer than son, dearer than wealth, dearer than anything. If a man call anything dearer than Self, say that he will lose what is dear, of certainty he will lose it; for Self is God. Therefore one should worship Self as Love. Who worships Self his love shall never perish … This Self is the Lord of all beings; as spokes are knit together in the hub, all things, all gods, all men, all lives, are bodies, are knit together in that Self."

(pp. 121, 135)

`He wanted every form, for He wanted to show Himself; as a magician He appears in many forms, He masters hundreds of thousands of powers. He is those powers; those millions of powers. He is Spirit; without antecedent, without precedent, without inside, without outside; omnipresent, omniscient. Self is Spirit. That is revelation.'

(p. 136)

The connection between these two passages lies in the assertion that self is spirit. Self is dear, self is to be worshipped, self is love, because it is spirit. What can be observed is material. Things in space, including human bodies, are material, made of gross elements; things in the mind are subtle, made of finer material and observable as imagined objects or thoughts, feelings and emotions; but the witness of them all, of all materiality, is of a different order. It is spirit. To know that spirit is revelation. To know that spirit is not to know an object; it is to realize that one is spirit."

Brian Hodgkinson, The Essence of Vedanta,
Arcturus Publishing Ltd., Canada, pg. 42-3

All the Holy Scriptures - Torah, Bible, Qur'an, Upanishads, Vedas, Puranas, Granth Sahib - uphold the Self as Spirit, the essence and presence of the Divine in humans. That is why Jesus answered them in the temple, "Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?". Self-realization is a slow process of confirming the same divinity i.e., the Divine within humans. No external images, rituals or contacts whatsoever are needed for this inner journey to realize and meditate in the Kingdom of God within.

So why do many Christians think it's evil to believe we become like God... that we eventually can become gods? That is definitely not the case. Humans only realize the Divine - the Self as Spirit within. They only realize their own divine nature i.e., the essence and presence of the Divine within. That does not mean they become God Almighty. Even Shri Mataji has said that Self-realization does not mean you become gods. Christians (Jews and Muslims) are just ignorant of the true teachings and deep, subtle esoteric truths of Jesus that, when understood properly, is not self-deification. Realizing the presence and essence of Self as Spirit/God/Divine within and meditating on it is not self-deification. Asking others to meditate on you is.

regards to all,

jagbir

The Self as Spirit (“Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?” John 10:34)

Dear Jagbir and All,

i can tell you why Christians think it's evil to even think they can 'become like God'. It is because ministers have told them that Lucifer, the fallen angel, aspired to become like God, and fell, becoming anti-God. Due to that infamy, it has been drummed into Christians, never to assume to 'want to be God-like' because that is an ambition that is too high for mere mortals. Christians are warned by ministers never to go there, as they will be in mortal danger of their soul, for if it was too high an ambition for the highest angel of God (namely Lucifer)... it is definitely too high an ambition for mere Christian mortals! The ministers say that it is all about the pride that leads to a fall.

Of course, this whole scenario is as a result of an external shallow and crude understanding of real spirituality, which can only be "gnostic" which means "to go within" one's inner temple, which Christ also talked about. But most ministers do not encourage the rank and file to "go within" and neither do they. That is why they can never understand the "gnostic concept" that Christ referred to, when He said: "You are gods".

Add to that the fact that Christian Rulers (priestly and kingly) have taken away the teaching of re-incarnation, which early Christians naturally believed, as people did, in those days! How can a person become 'God-like' or 'like God' in one incarnation. It might surprise you Jagbir, but Christians believe this is their only lifetime. It is beyond any individual to become 'like God' or 'God-like' in only one lifetime. So the whole 'sway' of Christian indoctrination goes against Christ's actual teaching that: "You are gods"!

For one thing, in order to evolve to become 'gods' or 'like god' a person needs to be able to reincarnate. Christian ministers have in theory, taken away the ability to re-incarnate, so how can a person become 'God-like' or 'like God' in one single incarnation. It is just impossible, which reinforces the belief that Christ made a mistake when He said: "You are gods". Christians just don't believe this statement of Christ, because it is incomprehensible to them, because of their Christian indoctrination, that is "not of Christ", but of man!!!

Yet, it is alright for Christians to say they want to become 'Christ-like' or 'like Christ'. According to ministers, that does not smack of pride, like it does, if a Christian says they want to become 'God-like' or 'like God'. However, Christian Ministers teach that "in practice", Christ Jesus is God the Father, that Christ Jesus is God the Holy Spirit, and He is also God the Son. So how can it also "not" be pride to say that one wants to be 'Christ-like', if Christ is God?!

There is so much that is unnecessarily illogical in traditional Christianity, because of wrong Christian doctrines, that have replaced the Absolute Truth that Christ gave! That is also why many Christians have left the Christian Churches. It is because present day highly intelligent spiritual seekers of the Truth, do not tolerate idiocy and unintelligible mental concepts, of leaders, who have no idea of what the Kingdom of God "within" is!!! That is also why, when these same 'ex-Christians' understand the logic that is inherent in the Absolute Truth, that they will come to the arms of their Loving Spiritual Mother, who is the Holy Spirit Within, who will not lead them astray, as the doctrines of men have done, who have just wanted power, prestige and easy money, from others!!!

violet

>
> Dear Jagbir (and All),
>
> This would be a great article to put in "Editor's Choice" at HSS
> (Holy Spirit Shekinah), if you agree Jagbir. i meant to mention in
> my last post, that you have cut through all the scholarly studies,
> in your enlightened explanation, that simply explains the Truth, so
> Christians can also understand it!!!
>
> regards to all,
>
> violet
>

i also think so and will do just that Violet. Thanks.

Without question narrow-minded religious masses will remain ignorant of their own scriptures. Due to centuries of false religious indoctrination and scriptural misinterpretation under priestly domination many today remain blind, deaf and dumb to the esoteric nature, the true gnosis, of their religions. Even quoting and explaining their revered scriptures will fail to awaken them from centuries of collective spiritual coma. The _only_ way left is Self- realization through Kundalini awakening and daily meditation on the Self, and sustaining that Self-realization for the rest of your life.

It is obvious that one cannot understand the parables and esoteric truths without cross-examining the teachings of the founders of various religions and synthesizing the holy scriptures. Shri Mataji's Divine Message and Self-realization is collectively based on all messengers and their religions. The Divine Mother has made it clear that they all have to be unconditionally accepted.

To overcome millennia of false religious teachings, misinterpretation and indoctrination detailed explanations and relevant articles explaining Shri Mataji's teachings-all grounded in the holy scriptures -have to be made available to future seekers. It will take many years to accomplish this.

The Truth must have the power to silence all who read it. Religious fanatics have always opposed anything that went against their indoctrination, all the more when their religion are turned on its ears. That they too are silenced is indeed a sure sign that it is the Truth. As this century progresses their religious regimes will succumb to Shri Mataji's declaration:

"The Truth which is absolute has to express itself in these Modern Times. And even if it is not accepted it will never die. On the contrary, if it is not accepted, it will expose all falsehood and destroy it."

It will also take many years to accomplish this i.e., exposing the falsehood of the religious regimes. It does not matter if the Truth is accepted or not since the end result is the assured destruction of falsehood. Every article is part and parcel of the Truth that the Adi Shakti within has revealed, or Her incarnation without has spoken. In the end the Divine Feminine will triumph. Whether it takes 10 years or 10 decades does not matter. Future generations will gratefully continue where we left.

Jai Shri Ganapathy,

jagbir

The Great Adi Shakti Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi

Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi "But do you have your self-esteem? If you have then where should be your attention? It should be on your Self. Where is your Self now? It is God Almighty; it's part of that Great Primordial Being. Your attention should be on that.

After realization your attention should be in your heart, on your spirit which is the part of God Almighty. If your attention is on your spirit you will be amazed how your attention will act."

Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi
23 June 1980

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