The truth that subtle system SYs and WCASY conveniently forgot about Shakti



From: "jagbir singh"
Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 15:04:33 -0000
Subject: The truth that subtle system SYs and WCASY conveniently forgot about Shakti

Dear all,

It is common knowledge that a number of subtle system SYs and WCASY council members hold PhDs in Chakralogy, a proud tradition that is openly advertised and acknowledged by the rank and file. But i have found out that they are really shallow in their knowledge and even less in faith about the Shakti within. Yes, they will give you reams of facts about chakras, catches and cures. They will also talk endlessly about kundalini and its miraculous powers. But ask them about the Lalita Sahasranama or the Shakti within and they have nothing much to say. All their attention is on Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi. As far as they are concerned everything is done by Her.

i know for a fact that Shri Mataji does nothing, which She has admitted many times, and will continue to do nothing. i know it is the Shakti (Spirit) within that does everything, from awakening your kundalini and giving self-realization to protecting Her devotees. That is why i keep telling that we must learn to meditate on the Shakti in our Sahasraras, without any image or rituals whatsoever. Just because management and mainstream SYs do not talk about the Shakti in the Sahasrara it does not mean we should continue on the external worship. In the end they too will realize that it is the Shakti within they will have to worship and meditate on. How long can they condition all to keep their attention on Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi who is but the mere physical incarnation of the DEVI, a form necessary to deliver the Divine Message? Why is no subtle system SY, leader or WCASY talking about the Shakti within even as they continue to advertise about chakras and self-realization? When last in our living memory did we hear anything about the Shakti in our Sahasrara?

i have copied an excellent post regarding the Shakti within in relation to the Lalita Sahasranama. Perhaps it will give subtle system SYs and WCASY a clue of what happens when truth is organized, teachings corrupted, faith weakened and individual effort denounced. It will also cast doubts as to the authenticity and quality of their PhDs. Maybe we will also be able to get a clue as to why our public programs are regarded as mediocre. (Why should anyone attend free programs held in borrowed premises when it is so easy and preferable to pay excellent teachers for the same service; teachers with recognized credentials, modern studious and glossy brochures that exudes academic quality and confidence?

i believe that 1000s of SYs over decades have not been able to produce a standard public program booklet that is anywhere near the quality of the ordinary post below. Anyway, it is just about the truth that subtle system SYs and WCASY conveniently forgot about the Shakti. And we all keep wondering why Sahaja Yoga is not spreading.

Jai Shri Mataji,

jagbir



From: "Devi Bhakta"
Date: Fri Sep 23, 2005 12:24 pm
Subject: Introduction to Namas 475-534 (LalithA SahasranAma Series)

I mentioned in a post the other day (in relation to Mary Ann's comment that some of the Namas—sumukhi," having a beautiful face," being the catalyst offender, I believe—struck her as sexist male fantasies, rather than serious names of worship) that this is rather emphatically not the case in Shaktism in general or the LS in particular.

As much wiser members than I have noted many times (whether noticed or not), these Namas are basically never taken merely at surface value, nor are their particular sequences and groupings to be considered at all arbitrary. For example, the first set of names in the LS recap in compressed, coded form the central scripture known as Lalitopakhyana—one of the primary scriptural sources of Lalita lore in Srividya Upansana.

While it may be impossible to entirely bridge those gaps of understanding that will inevitably arise when attempting to span cultures and millennia, I hope that perhaps, by elucidating some of these groupings as they arise, we can show our members exactly how and why the Lalita Saharanama is systematically unfolding as it does.

Nora has now posted up to name 474; so before she posts further, I would note (for anyone who may not know, and may happen to be interested) that we are about to enter another distinct"set"of Namas—475 through 534. These Namas will collectively elaborate Devi's seven forms in the Chakras (from Muladhara through Sahasrara).

According to the Yogini Nyasa, Sri Lalita has a distinct form and name in each Chakra—each form having Her own distinct appearance, weapons, attendants, favorite delicacies, and of course Her specific place in the various dhAtUs of the body.

Devi, through these forms," devolves"from the subtlest (most transcendent) state of Union with Siva, to the grossest (most material) Prithvi state as She descends from Sahasrara to Muladhara in the body.

Advanced sadhaks can, with Her grace, experience Her various forms in these chakras as a result of antaryAga (internal, mental worship). For those of you following along at home, the name sets are:

Namas 475-484: VISUDDI CHAKRA
Namas 485-494: ANAHATA CHAKRA
Namas 495-503: MANIPURA CHAKRA
Namas 504-513: SVADHISTHANA CHAKRA
Namas 514-520: MULADHARA CHAKRA
Namas 521-527: AJNA CHAKRA
Namas 528-534: SAHASRARA

These names describe in detail the even tissues, seven chakras, their presiding Deities, their NaivedyAs, their Yoginis or attendants, and the Nama aspect of Reality expressed as letters of the alphabet (or Matrika) from A to Ksa. They also represent the seven planes of consciousness or lokas, as well as the various stages of the embryo in the womb of its mother.

For illustrations, scriptural translation and interpretation, visit our homepage at:

http://www.shaktisadhana.org/Photo%20Gallery/cakrasmain.html

I hope all of this will help some of you appreciate the depth and meaning of the upcoming Namas as we approach the halfway point in Nora's excellent ongoing series.

aim mAtangyai namaH

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Shakti_Sadhana/message/18615



From: "semirafields"
Date: Sun Sep 25, 2005 5:11 am
Subject: Re: The truth that subtle system SYs and WCASY conveniently forgot about Shakti

Dear Jagbir,

What you describe below is the common problem that has happened in all religions. It is so easy to get stuck and caught up in things along the path; so that people forget that the path is not the end in itself. To start our spiritual journey we need the path, and we have different individual needs of guidance, structure and rituals. However, it is easy to lose sight that the path itself is not the ultimate aim. The ultimate aim is to proceed beyond the path, and to experience the beauty and liberation of this.

Love, Semira



From: "jagbir singh" Date: Sun Sep 25, 2005 8:30 am
Subject: Re: The truth that subtle system SYs and WCASY conveniently forgot about Shakti adishakti_org

—- In adishakti_sahaja_yoga@yahoogroups.com, Sambhav wrote:

> Dear Jagbir
>
> You have good ideas....all that u mentioned here is correct...but
> the best way is to stop criticising other sy's...and be what u r..
>
>

Dear Sambhav,

i am not criticizing just because it is my nature or i enjoy doing so or i have nothing better to do or any other reason one can think of except:

"I think Spencer Corliss and others should realize that certain topics are discussed with more intensity and frequency to make others better understand the issues that are at stake. Another reason they are repeatedly discussed in detail is to pick the best and archive them for the future. This will allow the seekers of tomorrow to understand what actually took place while the Adi Shakti was still on Earth, and how Her Advent and Message was undermined.”

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/adishakti_sahaja_yoga/message/4548

i mentioned the above just three days ago. You should realize that the topic about subtle system SYs and WCASY not mentioning the Shakti within is probably discussed in detail for the first time and does not fall under the"repeatedly discussed in detail"category. In the post i pointed out that even those engaged in the subtle system do not have the faith to mention the Shakti within or associate the DEVI with the Lalita Sahasranama. Sahaja Yoga is indeed reduced to a guru teaching about chakras and kundalini with the false claim that Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi, not the Shakti (Holy Spirit/Ruh) within, activates The Mother Kundalini. i believe this is a very important clarification that all SYs should understand and teach other. If they do not, which is more likely than not because of the false knowledge and conditionings imposed by their peers, at least we can prevent others from falling into error and save them a lot of time and energy that can be better spent advancing spiritually. This is not criticism.

And the only way to accomplish the above is to talk openly about mistakes and false knowledge, and archive the correct knowledge for the future. It will make our task so much easier if we can just retrieve related articles and quote them ............. as i have quoted for you in response to your criticism. We are learning to do things that management SYs should have done years ago. A lot of ground has been covered but there are still important isolated pockets here and there that will be dealt as and when they are found .............. provided there is evidence to back the findings!

regards,

jagbir



From: "michalis_9"
Date: Sun Sep 25, 2005 7:58 am
Subject: Re: The truth that subtle system SYs and WCASY conveniently forgot about Shakti

Dear Jagbir,

I agree with you that it is the Spirit within that matters but you exaggerate about Mother. She is nothing close to"mere.” Can I ask you when She said She is not doing anything? I know She's said that She works even during Her sleep. That She absorbs all our negativity, and Her attention is on us when we do puja. As far as I'm concerned we are lucky to have Her with us and claiming She is a mere incarnation does Her disservice. Moreover I've read talks where she wants us to use Her photo, even wear badges... What are you talking about.

Please state whether you go along with Shri Mataji's teachings or you differentiate when you think it is proper.

Regards, Michalis



From: "jagbir singh"
Date: Sun Sep 25, 2005 9:42 am
Subject: Re: The truth that subtle system SYs and WCASY conveniently forgot about Shakti

—- In adishakti_sahaja_yoga@yahoogroups.com," michalis_9" wrote:
> Dear Jagbir,
>
> I agree with you that it is the Spirit within that matters but you
> exaggerate about Mother. She is nothing close to"mere.” Can I ask
> you when She said She is not doing anything? I know She's said
> that She works even during Her sleep. That She absorbs all our
> negativity, and Her attention is on us when we do puja. As far as
> I'm concerned we are lucky to have Her with us and claiming She is
> a mere incarnation does Her disservice. Moreover I've read talks
> where she wants us to use Her photo, even wear badges... What
> are you talking about.
>
> Please state whether you go along with Shri Mataji's teachings or
> you differentiate when you think it is proper.
>
> Regards, Michalis
>

Michalis, did it ever occur to you that She is referring to the Shakti within, of whom She is an incarnation? If you understand how the Shakti operates you will regard Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi as Her mere incarnation and not the One who"Works even during Her sleep. That She absorbs all our negativity, and Her attention is on us when we do puja.” That is what the previous posts were trying to tell you, a very important essence and aspect of the Shakti you have missed or failed to properly grasp despite my better attempt:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/adishakti_sahaja_yoga/message/4562

Shri Mataji"Wants us to use Her photo, even wear badges"so that others will ask and know about Her. Let's not try to make it into something spectacular that some SYs may have impressed upon you.

If you do not understand Her Mahamaya role (Illusion) it will take you a long time to meditate on"The Spirit within that matters.” Do you meditate on Her temporary, physical external image or on Her internal, eternal, omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent and omnibenevolent Reality? The DEVI can never ever be reduced to an incarnation because countless incarnations have issued forth from Her since time immemorial.

Even DEVI enlightened in the Sahasrara that She and Her incarnation Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi are two different personalities. This occurred when Her physical limitations became obvious to me during the early days ........... and i was racked by doubts and delusion for weeks. In the end She told my son to tell your father that She and Shri Mataji are two different persons ............. even when i did not ask so and my doubts were mere thoughts. Below are my original notes regarding that incident:

"On September 14, 1994, Kash came back from meditation and told his father that Shri Mataji had told him that the Shri Mataji on Earth and the Shri Mataji in the Sahasrara were two different persons. Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi on Mother Earth represents the single drop of the Divine Ocean. SHE had to manifest HER Infinite Form as an earthly creature so that humankind could know HER with all their senses. SHE had to manifest as a human being and, even then, had to be covered and camouflaged by layers of illusions. SHE had to be the physical guru representing the inner Divine Guru. SHE had to.

The father was silenced into surrender — the SPIRIT of the Living God had again answered a question that was not even asked! The SPIRIT of the Living God in his Sahasrara knew that he had nagging doubts. The SPIRIT of the Living God in Kash's Sahasrara also know that he had nagging doubts. The SPIRIT of the Living God in the Pope's Sahasrara, the Ayatollah's Sahasrara, the Dalai Lama's Sahasrara also knew that he had nagging doubts. The SPIRIT of the Living God in every Tom, Dick and Harry's Sahasrara also knew that he had doubts. The Universal Mind is linked to all human minds — This Revealed Truth is Absolute.”

Michalis, you asked me whether i"go along with Shri Mataji's teachings or you differentiate when you think it is proper.”i go along with Shri Mataji's teachings and enlighten when i think it is proper. It will take you weeks/months to grasp what i just told you. If you do not believe then it will take you years to understand Her internal, eternal, omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent and omnibenevolent Reality.

However it is only today that i realize why"She told my son to tell your father that She and Shri Mataji are two different persons.” After that i should not have spent so many years meditating on Her external image. But despite all She revealed in the Sahasrara i still did until recently. Michalis, have you any idea what false knowledge and collective conditioning does to those joining Sahaja Yoga? i too was afraid that i would"differentiate when you think it is proper"And ignorant management SYs would pass judgment and 'burn me at the stake'. But only some time back that i truly began following Her advise to be your own master. After all i have learnt far more from within the Sahasrara than i ever could from all the collective knowledge of management SYs and WCASY combined. What really helped trigger all this into a resolute stand was irrefutable evidence obtained recently that WCASY has absolutely deleted the Divine Message from their agenda ........ er, i mean Will. Now i will never return to be subject again to their dishonest, ignorant and conditioning nature.

regards,

jagbir



From: "semirafields"
Date: Sun Sep 25, 2005 2:31 pm
Subject: Re: The truth that subtle system SYs and WCASY conveniently forgot about Shakti

Dear Michalis,

I think that Jagbir has explained the Truth of the Spirit within beautifully in his reply to your questions below.

As the Incarnation of the Holy Spirit Shri Mataji has opened the Sahasrara on a collective level, enabling a mass awakening of the Holy Spirit within. Being a physical Incarnation means being restricted by material matter, and material laws. However, the Power of God is completely unrestricted by and beyond all these laws. The Power of God is eternal, and not restricted to what is material. Shri Mataji has come to reveal to us this awareness; the awareness of the Power of God within each of us. It is not found in rituals, in worshipping external images or in performing penances.

Just as Jesus resides in the Agnya, and is the Doorway, and brought the principles of forgiveness and love for everyone; so Shri Mataji resides in the Sahasrara. The eternal power of God resides within each of us, and manifests itself as the cool breeze. This is the Eternal Shri Mataji, the Shakti. It is human conditioning only that we feel the need to worship the external forms. Now is the time that we will move beyond these conditionings, and free ourselves from all these things.

Each person has to realise this from within themselves.

Love, Semira



From: "jagbir singh"
Date: Mon Sep 26, 2005 11:58 am
Subject: Re: The truth that subtle system SYs and WCASY conveniently forgot about Shakti

—- In adishakti_sahaja_yoga@yahoogroups.com," jagbir singh" wrote:
>
> i know for a fact that Shri Mataji does nothing, which She has
> admitted many times, and will continue to do nothing. i know it is
> the Shakti (Spirit) within that does everything, from awakening
> your kundalni and giving self-realization to protecting Her
> devotees.
>

i have more than enough evidence of the above statement. One of the most revealing was when the Shakti twice prevented my friend Kanggaima from committing suicide.

http://adishakti.org/witnessing_her_miracles.htm

After these miracles happened there was no word from Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi at Cabella, Italy. For all i know She was completely unaware that Kanggaima had been stopped twice from taking her own life. i realized that it was the eternal Shakti within and not Her physical incarnation that had performed the miracles.

i did tell some SYs in Montreal but am not sure they believed what i was telling them. Before that i rang up the leader in Toronto and told him to visit Kanggaima as she could still be suicidal. This guy refused as he was afraid of catches! Yes, he refused to see Kanggaima as he did not want to get catches from her. (This pervasive and collective fear of catches have even turned some of our so-called leaders into chickens, cowards who are more afraid of getting petty catches than saving suicidical humans. And some SYs wonder why i am so much against the ceaseless collective chatter of catches and cures.)

So this evidence that Shri Mataji saved Kanggaima was never brought up by management SYs. As far as they were concerned if Shri Mataji did save her then She would definitely mention it on Her won. But since Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi never did the whole matter was suppressed. Till today this recorded miraculous incident is not mentioned by management SYs. After all, it fits their organized truth that Shri Mataji is a great subtle system guru who can raise the kundalini en masse. Miracles are for those who want to publicly proclaim that She is the Adi Shakti. i understand it will damage the subtle system reputation they have so carefully cultivated with nurturing care, nourishing desire and loving attention over the years.

So who saved Kanggaima? It was none other than the Shakti within. Perhaps if someone had mentioned that to Shri Mataji She would have been able to find out that the Shakti within, not Her physical incarnation, did save a devotee bent on killing herself. Given all the facts it is indeed true that Shri Mataji does not do anything as She has admitted time and again. The DEVI within does all, from raising the kundalini to protecting Her devotees to witnessing everything - the internal, eternal, omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent and omnibenevolent Reality. Her incarnation Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi took birth on Earth to deliver the Divine Message and teach humans how to take part in the Last Judgment and Resurrection. Other than that She does not do anything. Everything else is done by the Shakti within.

Jai Shri Mataji,

jagbir



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